 +Hyena12/07/2003 06:56:46PM | Quoting Chaos: I doubt most people would stupid enough to allow an invasion of god into the government. Or at least I would hope... Man, if God invades the country, what defence could possibly be relied on? I mean, it was bad enough with General Zod in Superman II. |
 +Chaos11/17/2003 06:09:41PM | You have a point about subtle things leading to bigger things later. I guess one could make the argument, that by allowing this instance of religion to be allowed in a governmental doctrine (probably not the right word, but whatever), it just leaves the door open to a flood of an integration of church and state. But somehow, I doubt most people would stupid enough to allow an invasion of god into the government. Or at least I would hope... |
| DCB 11/17/2003 08:03:13AM | Yes I know I'm being a big fag here thank you Doc and Chaos. I just feel that sometimes subtle issues shouldn't be ignored since they can pave the way for bigger things to come later. That and I really really hate the right wing. |
| Doc Funky 11/17/2003 04:21:59AM | Wait, wait...
People actually care about this kind of thing? I guess I just don't get it. |
| Vitriolic 11/17/2003 02:33:50AM | The main irony of the pledge is that it was originally written by a Socialist, yet it is mainly defended by God-fearing rightists.
Also, look on the back of a dollar bill. It may say "In God we trust", but it also has "Novus ordo seclorum" (A new secular order) by the Masonic/ |
| +Chaos 11/16/2003 09:54:20PM | Well, I had heard from the news that the whole crap started because an athiest was pissed that they were "forcing" his daughter to say "god" in the pledge of allegience at school. That suit was eventually put down, but all the coverage it got caused more people to take a side on the "issue" and now they're all complaining as we see here. |
| witeasprinwow 11/16/2003 09:38:00PM | Chaos -
They didn't file a lawsuit because they were actually offended by the word. They filed a lawsuit to make people more aware of the intergration of Church and State that has been going on for the past few years. Basically, there's a problem having to do with Political Correctness that prevents people from wanting to directly critize politicians who make religiously-based speeches, so they use this to make people aware of the situation. EDIT: I forgot to mention how much I hate being politically correct. |
| +Chaos 11/16/2003 07:11:48PM | I could really care less about the whole damned "under God" fiasco. Its just a single GODdamned word for GOD sakes. Now, don't go thinking I follow these nutbags though. Theyre idiots. The guy who started the lawsuit is an idiot. Everyones an idiot. I just think there are more important things to worry about than a single fucking word in a stupid speech.
Hell, I don't even SAY the plegde of alligence, so I don't care either way. |
| witeasprinwow 11/16/2003 04:03:26PM | Anyone else find it funny that the word "Patriot" was originally used to label American revolutionaries as terrorists?
Back on topic: Yes, that is a load of crap. I won't say anymore, because you basically outlined everything I had to say. FUN FACT! The constitution was written from a Deist perspective - Meaning NOT CHRISTIAN IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM. |
 @kiwibonga11/16/2003 12:22:33PM | I totally agree with you, and this email you received really sounds like "We're wrong and we know we're wrong but we're still arguing just cause we can."
I don't understand how such things can still exist, why did people get all offended when I pointed out it was wrong to show Bush giving a televised speech in a church after 9/11? Why do all US coins and bills have "In God we trust" written on them? It really boggles my european mind to see all these things... I remember when I was in primary school (public school in France), the teachers were afraid to talk about the bible, because whenever we talked about it they had to neither condone or repress religion, which was really hard to do when we were talking about that period around year 1 A.D. Did you receive a reply from them? |
| DCB 11/16/2003 11:57:37AM | An e-mail I got not too long ago:
Protect the Pledge of Allegiance! For 226 years America and her flag have stood for Independence, Liberty, Freedom and Justice. Fellow Americans, let us join as one in our stand against terrorism and tyranny. Imagine the uplifting effect of four million patriots proudly declaring, "I Pledge Allegiance to the United States of America." Take one minute of your time and add your name to the Pledge of Allegiance. Help inspire confidence and strengthen our collective resolve. Take the action of a patriot. NOW. God bless America. On June 25th, 2002, the 9th Circuit Federal Court of Appeals ruled that the Pledge of Allegiance is unconstitutional and cannot be recited in public schools because it contains the words "under God." This nbelievable and absurd ruling is yet another salvo from activist judges more interested in making their own law rather than following the Constitution. After months of anxious waiting, the Supreme Court has announced it will hear the case against the Pledge of Allegiance. The Christian Family Coalition is calling on ALL who support the phrase "One nation under God" should remain in the Pledge to take immediate action by signing our "Protect the Pledge Petition". We, as Americans, stand with members of the United States Congress in asking the Supreme Court of the United States to affirm the constitutionality of the Pledge of Allegiance with the phrase "under God' included. We support the Pledge of Allegiance, including the phrase, "One nation under God." We believe that the action taken by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, in declaring our Pledge UNCONSTITUTIONAL, is a direct violation of our Constitutional freedom. Click the link below to sign the petition - Protect the Pledge of Allegiance! http://mdccc.org/PAGES/Petitions/Pledge_of_Allegiance_03.asp Please, we are waiting to hear from you now! My natural response: This is so wrong. You call yourself patriots? You claim to stand for freedom and against tyranny, yet push to force religion on people? The Ninth Circuit court IS protecting the Constitution with their ruling, as the first part of the First Amendment states clearly that the government shall make no establishment whatsoever of religion. The only way the Pledge of Allegiance will ever be protected is if we keep those words out of it. No one is taking away your faiths, only protecting those who choose not to follow your brainwashing doctrines. I request--no, demand--that you remove me from your mailing lists. I refuse to be associated with such an un-American organization. What I really wanted to shove down their throats: What's the matter, little babies? Can't force shit on folks no more? Mad because someone is actually doing their job and following the law? Quit your whining...you bitchy fags don't deserve your precious "freedom" or this country. Shouldn't you be bombing abortion clinics right now? Fucking Osama terrorist ass bitches. (Okay, that last part was indeed ridiculous. But my message should be clear. Someone please remind me to never again take the internet so seriously.) |